Interview by Janice Turner
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With typical gallumphing Cherie timing, we meet just as news breaks that the Blairs are buying Sir John Gielgud’s former country pile in Buckinghamshire for £4 million. So you’ve written a whole book telling everyone that you’re broke and now you own this mansion, I say. “But we were short of money at the time,” Cherie protests, “and now Tony has been lucky enough to get a job which means we can afford a country house.” Mr Blair has signed a reputed £2.5 million deal advising the American bank JPMorgan. This, plus an estimated advance on his memoirs of £4.6 million and hers of £1.5 million means that the perilous years of supporting what Cherie calls “a mortgage the size of Mount Snowdon” on their £3.5 million house in Connaught Square are clearly over.
“Yes, that was very scary,” says Cherie of this period. “Particularly since I was the person who had to support it. Because whatever else happened, we had to meet the monthly payment and it was down to me. Because no one else was going to meet it, were they?” The last sentence is said with a grim smile, since she partly did so with a series of lucrative speaking engagements in America that drew criticism that she was exploiting her status as the serving Prime Minister’s wife.
Anxiety about money is the unifying theme of Cherie Blair’s autobiography. It is why she barely saw her actor parents until she was 2 as they left her to be raised by her paternal grandmother while they struggled in touring rep. After Cherie’s flakey father Tony Booth abandoned them for good, her elegant, RADA-trained mother Gale was forced to toil in a chippie. Fiscal dread even accompanies young Cherie’s educational triumphs. How will they pay for the uniform to her smart grammar school? How can student Cherie, surviving on Dairylea triangles, afford to join the Inns of Court, her Bar exams, the compulsory dinners, even her wig and gown? The answer, always, was by winning a scholarship, by being the best.
Fast forward to Cherie and Tony, newly arrived in No 10, wondering what to do about their heavily mortgaged family home in Richmond Terrace, North London. Rent it out? Alastair Campbell, Mr Blair’s press secretary, reminds them of Norman Lamont’s tenant, Miss Whiplash. Lord Levy, a Blair adviser, says sell. So they step off the London property market just as it shoots into space. Consequently, as Mr Blair plans his departure, Cherie panics about her family being homeless. “Tony’s attitude to money,” she writes, “has always been: ‘I just want to do what’s right, and somehow or other we’ll sort it out’. ” Or rather, as the main breadwinner, Cherie would.
The book is in effect a rebuttal of allegations that have made Cherie among the most reviled women of our age: that she is a greedy, grabby freebie-lover with aspirations to grandness. Her case is logical and convincing, as you might expect from a top-flight QC. But funny too: she recounts struggling in an Italian jewellery shop to prevent a bandana-clad Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian Prime Minister, from buying her an expensive necklace that would break government gift rules. And whether you believe it or not, hers is a case seldom put, certainly not by officials at No 10, who, far from defending her from criticism, routinely left her out to dry.
But now, I say, it looks as though having bought your No 10, you’re buying your Chequers. “I don’t know why they say our Connaught Square house is a mini No 10, because it isn’t really, except I don’t have my key to the front door.” Cherie means that she still doesn’t need to carry a key, since while at Downing Street staff let her in, now she is admitted by the armed policemen who guard her new home. Mr Blair will retain 24-hour police protection as long as he is considered a terrorist target, which, given his mission to the Middle East, will not end any time soon. But Cherie had looked forward to carrying her own key again: it seems to represent to her privacy, autonomy, normality.
“The house is not like Chequers except that it is a country house,” she continues. “And one thing Chequers taught us is we like getting out of London at weekends. And for the last year, it’s been a shame we haven’t had a place to escape to.” But this is a very grand house, I say, thinking of the Grade I listing, seven bedrooms, two paddocks, the 52ft drawing room. “It’s not as grand as the house next door, [Wooton House, a stately home] of which it’s the coach house, but it is a nice house. It is going to be a fantastic place to go with the children.”
I ask if when viewing this magnificent potential home she had marvelled at how far she had come from the rough side of Crosby, where she shared her grandmother’s bed, while her sister slept with her mum and Uncle Bob had a camp bed on the landing. “I think that this girl from 15 Ferndale Road has been to Balmoral, to see the Queen, to Buckingham Palace, met the Pope, had Stevie Wonder at the White House sing My Cherie Amour, how lucky is that?” It is quintessential Cherie Blair: self-mythologising and sentimental Scouser, but nonetheless a raw sense of being a working-class outsider, competing against a smooth and privileged elite, has never truly left her. “It is extraordinary that people think because I am a QC I must have lived the life that my children lead,” she says.
It has become almost a cliché to say that Cherie looks better in the flesh. Indeed, that this was said by almost everyone she met as prime minister’s wife, helped to buffer her self-esteem against the ghastly, gurning shots chosen by newspapers. Today at Matrix chambers, she looks handsome in a white print shirt-dress bought in Selfridges (which her daughter Kathryn is delighted to discover is walking distance from Connaught Square). Her often cussed hair was primped this morning by her faithful André, a minor hero in the book, into perky flicks. She looks fresh and well slept, younger than 53, trim waisted with the broad bottom she rails against in her book. On television her frantic animation, the way she clasps your hand with both of hers, the intense, round-eyed gaze, can appear somewhat deranged. But TV tunes out her girlishness and northern warmth.
Cherie-haters often focus upon her mouth. That it is large and constantly moving, with a dissatisfied downward turn in repose seems the outward expression of her perceived flaws: greed, complaining, tactlessness, that she never bloody shuts up. But that same mouth emits a low, mellifluous voice, with a bit of Liverpool in her occasional “everythink”. And it is mostly upturned in a pleasingly gamine smile or emitting a honking, ready laugh, which she partly employs as a stalling tactic when tackling tricky questions.
Listening back to my tape, I realise that I am unusually forceful with her, even rude. I cannot help venting my personal sense of betrayal, and that of many working mother friends. I tell Cherie how delighted we were when she arrived at No 10, that she had kept her name and career, had a marriage of equals, muddled through family life. She was like us with her Ken Dodd morning hair, picking those flowers from her doorstep. But then the “Oh Cherie!” moments began, multiplying towards the end, when we longed to shake her back to sense. To Cherie’s credit, she takes all this rather equably.
Let’s take Carole Caplin, I rant. When you had the choice of every discreet fashion adviser in Britain, why did you trust someone so obviously dodgy? “Carole isn’t dodgy at all,” says Cherie mildly. “In fact, the one thing you can say about Carole is, although Alastair was convinced she was going to do kiss and tell, she has never kissed and told.” But wasn’t she restrained by a gagging clause? “Well,” she splutters, “I hadn’t even thought . . . Yes, it is true Carole had a confidentiality agreement, but so did my nanny and I had to take her to court to enforce it.” (The Blairs’ nanny Ros Mark was injuncted to stop a proposed book about their intimate family life.)
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As a Canadian & working mother I struggle just to keep 1 job & 2 kids in in check. If I had to ensure I looked perfect and chose my words perfectly while raising 4 kids, pregnant, supporting the leader of GB AND having 2 stressfull jobs, I would certainly not fair as well. Would any of you?
Sandy, Ottawa, Canada
I have grown to like her a fair bit more than I did - I paid not much attention to her in the past except that I know she's very very smart. I think her writing style is what captivate me, she pulls no punches and it's like having a good chat with a friend. Well done Cherie!
A Marr, Aberdeen,
This latest in a line of tawdry memoirs merely confirms what most sensible people feel about these politicians and, in particular, about Cherie Blair: namely, nauseated.
There is so little respect now for politicians and we need hardly ask why.
Linda Hughes, Newton Abbot, UK
Congrats on the book 'Speaking for Money' cannot wait for the follow up containing even more personal stuff that a normal person would condsider beyond the pale.
This has engendered an emotion in me for Tony Bliar that I would never have believed. Abject sympathy. Vulgar woman.
Ethan, nr dole Farm, UK
great read from JT as usual. She certianly does seem to be hugely moulded by her childhood.
kate, southampton, uk
Being born and raised in Crosby, the same age as Mrs Blair, I have to agree with D Harrison's comments on Crosby.
Her house was close to my school, which was one of the best in Liverpool. I guess that she like me got a scholarship to a direct grant school and was solid middle class.
N Thearle, London and Liverpool,
A very fair and alanced piece of journalism. Well done and good on the Times. It encourages me to read the book. I have met Cherie through my charity work and despite her perosnal concerns about money for her family she is higely generous with her time for charities - anaspect not often tumpettted
annl imb, Stony Stratford Bucks,
Cherie came from the rough side of Crosby!!
Crosby of the 1960s was one of Merseyside's most desirable areas. The rougher parts of Crosby would have far more desirable than most parts of Liverpool.
Don , Wirral
D Harrison, Wirral,
“I think it is the whole class thing,” she says. “We don’t want our politicians, particularly our Labour ones, to do well.”"
It may have more to do with politicians always looking after themselves and, in the case of Labour, always leaving the economy ten times worse then when they were elected.
Bernard, Edinburgh, Scotland
an interesting piece to read. Thanks you. I had always wondered i Cherie's background had left her vulnerable to the strongly worded opinions of others. Glad she has come through it as well as she has. Well done.
m lowe, london,
... it's rare to find such an incisive yet fair piece of writing - let alone about Cherie.
Fred, London, uk
Great read, and DOES change my view of Cherie. Well done in the reporting and well done Cherie. Go for it.
Andrew Hodgson, London,