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Last week’s figures tell the story: people out of work up by 137,000 to 1.86m; people claiming jobseeker’s allowance up by 75,700 to 1.07m in November. These are the largest UK jobless rises since the 1990s. No wonder Mel Groves, chief executive of Jobcentre Plus — first port of call for the growing number of unemployed – sounds like he is preparing for war.
“We’ve taken on 1,000 new staff in November, another 700 this month and I would like another 1,000 in the first half of next year. Some of those are going to come from Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs, and maybe some from Land Registry – people are buying fewer houses so I’m talking to its chief executive about taking employees from there.”
Groves, who already has 68,000 staff in his network, is co-ordinating the front end of the country’s response to recession. With mass layoffs possible in what could be Britain’s worst downturn for half a century, the state’s newly modernised Jobcentre Plus is in the spotlight. And Groves, a lifelong public-sector manager, says he is ready.
“In the 1980s, when there was a downturn, we weren’t prepared. We just paid people. This time Jobcentre Plus will be trying to get people back to work as quickly as possible. The current ministerial team has been investing in Jobcentre Plus in a way that didn’t happen in the previous downturns.”
So the 744 centres, many on high streets and in town centres, will offer integrated advice on benefits, retraining and job searching, as well as providing facilities for employers to interview and run medical examinations. There are touch-screen computer displays, online vacancies, partnership deals with professional recruitment agencies and a host of initiatives taking advice out into the community.
Add to that 31 phone-in contact centres, 88 benefits-processing sites and Europe’s biggest database of jobs, and it is, we are assured, a long way from the desolate, dole-queue shuffle immortalised in The Full Monty.
“We’ve invested £2 billion of public money to create a modern employment service,” says Mansfield-born Groves. “I’m confident we are geared up for next year.”
Sitting in his Westminster office high up in the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), Groves seems surprisingly upbeat. As cherubic as a stubbly Jasper Carrot, he looks a good decade younger than his 62 years.
Few have more experience of the state’s employment and benefit services – he worked in his first Labour Exchange at the age of 18, and recently helped revamp Jobcentre Plus, which was set up in 2001 to combine the employment and benefits services. Appointed chief executive last month, Groves has special dispensation to work beyond the civil-service retirement age of 60 as his network prepares for 2009.
But even adding 1,000 staff a month barely does justice to the scale of the downturn Jobcentre Plus might have to deal with. The network will be hit by a surge in demand that could push it to the brink.
Factor in the demands of politicians, currently pursuing a welfare reform agenda ill-timed for recession, and you can see why heading Jobcentre Plus might require an experienced hand. It has become, even by government standards, a complex organisation, with myriad partnerships, working through a mind-boggling clutch of initiatives and acronyms: IS (income support), ESA (employment and support allowance), JSA (jobseeker’s allowance), IES (integrated employment and skills), BWC (better-off-in-work credit) and more.
Should the network stumble next year – failing to pay benefits, or losing control of its new IT – work and pensions minister James Purnell will get it in the neck, followed swiftly by Groves.
But if he’s nervous at the prospect, you wouldn’t know it. Warm and chatty, he rattles through the initiatives currently occupying his team, emphasising that he wants more pro-active involvement with employers before redundancies happen. He cites MFI and Woolworths.
“We wrote to their chief executives the day they announced they were closing . . . Rather than waiting for them to come to us, I want us to get in there early, a modern service that can help people before they are unemployed.”
Then there’s a new scheme allowing the unemployed to retain benefits while working on trial for employers at no cost. And if unscrupulous employers took advantage of that to get free labour?
Groves frowns. “We would explain they couldn’t be part of the solution if we suspected that. We have much better relationships with employers now. We are at the heart of communities working with learning and skills councils, we want employers to give people a fair chance.”
In fact, that’s an edited version of what Groves actually said. Just occasionally he speaks so densely, throwing in acronyms and the names of initiatives and organisations, that it’s hard to follow unless you have specialist expertise. Then he surfaces into plain English again.
And that, say others, is why he is a good choice for the task ahead. Groves is a confident people manager, yet deeply rooted in the employment service, and his bottom-to-top experience and modest background – the only son of a shoe factory worker – will play better with underpressure staff than any flash high-flyer parachuted in.
John Clare, former boss of Dixons, who sits as non-executive chairman of Jobcentre Plus, compares Groves’ skills with those of a grizzled retail boss. “Controlling, managing and motivating a dispersed workforce that deals with customers directly, and using systems that are similar to retail. And it’s an operation that has changed dramatically in the past five years, but Mel helped implement that, and such experience is invaluable.”
The biggest difference, adds Clare, is that – unlike in the private sector – there is no “integrated motivation of making a profit”. Instead, Groves has to work to a clutch of shifting delivery targets, and is more vulnerable to the whims of politicians than any corporate boss would be to a company board.
His relationship with Purnell and the DWP permanent secretary Sir Leigh Lewis will be key. Lewis was the first chief executive of Jobcentre Plus from 2001 to 2003, and will be an experienced ally.
David Anderson, another former Jobcentre Plus boss, now chief executive at Co-operative Bank, says Groves will be grateful for it. The political imperative of top public-sector jobs is often hard to mesh with the practical end of delivery. “What is needed – and what Mel has – is an ability to deal with the ambiguity of the different requirements coming all the time,” says Anderson.
This month’s white paper on welfare reform is yet another shift in targets. At a time when there is likely to be less employment around than for decades, Groves’s team faces more changes to benefit rules and a push to get those who have never been in work – including single mothers – back into the job market.
Groves, not surprisingly, is keen to avoid passing judgment on what politicians want, but acknowledges that public pressure for reform is high, even in a recession.
“There is a recognition that some people are in a passive state where they are more comfortable on benefits, but they don’t realise how much support is available. Where people are resting on benefits, we’ve got to talk to them and convince them they have a contribution to make.”
Groves is not without experience of the hardship that unemployment can bring. Born an only child in Mansfield’s tough mining community, he vowed to take any job he could after his father’s illness with cancer left the family struggling. At the Labour Exchange, they offered him an interview on the spot.
“The woman told me to come back in my school tie to see the manager.” By the next week he was helping behind the Labour Exchange desk. After that he worked across the Midlands, and later in the Manpower Services Commission. He also did a short stint at the Treasury in 2000 working on the reforms that created the Department for Work and Pensions. “I was the hard-bitten field operator,” he says. He has seen boom and bust, but never a downturn like the one we are facing.
“In the 1980s it was more regional, with a shift from manufacturing, effected by government policy. The difference this time is that there is clearly a global downturn . . . We are seeing people across the country made unemployed, affecting every region and labour market. It’s a consistent rise across the country, nobody is exempt.”
And has he got everything he needs from the politicians? Of course, says Groves. But then he would.
Ever discuss politics with them? He smiles gently. “No, but from time to time I have to say what Jobcentre Plus can achieve or not.”
Then he adds: “You know, we don’t do the Sir Humphrey thing – I like to think we are more closely involved with the real world.” Next year should provide plenty of opportunity to prove his point.
The life of Mel Groves
VITAL STATISTICS
Born: September 12, 1946
Marital status: married twice, with one son
School: Queen Elizabeth Grammar, Mansfield University:he didn’t go
First job: assistant at the Labour Exchange
Pay package: £140,000 plus bonus
Home: Nottingham
Car: maroon Jaguar S Type – “My car is a 10-year-old Jag. I bought it
secondhand. It’s my pride and joy. Yeah, I clean and polish it every
weekend. Nothing wrong with that.”
Film: Touching The Void
Book: The Long Road To Freedom, by Nelson Mandela
Music: Bruce Springsteen
Gadget: Blackberry
Last holiday: Portugal
WORKING DAY
THE Jobcentre Plus chief executive wakes at 6am at his London hotel. “I live
in Nottingham,” says Mel Groves. “So on weekdays I stay near Regents Park on
a special government rate.” He is at his Westminster desk by 7.30.
“If I’m in London I am in meetings or on the phone from then until 7.30 at night. I don’t go out to lunch, but have the occasional working dinner.” Eight senior executives report to him, and he has a weekly meeting with James Purnell, the work and pensions secretary.
Groves tries to get out to see employers and regional offices at least once a week. “I helped shape Jobcentre Plus, so I can’t walk away from it.”
DOWNTIME
MEL GROVES relaxes by working out in the Nottingham University gym, near his
home in Bramcote. “I try to go a couple of times at weekends, but it’s never
enough.” He also loves walking. “One of my favourite books is Wainwright’s
Walks in the Lake District.” At weekends, he watches football and rugby. He
is a long-term supporter of Nottingham Forest, so he is used to
disappointment.
Groves holidays in Portugal twice a year, usually in the same village. A creature of habit? “Yeah, as soon as I get there I can relax. I take a pile of Ian Rankin books, and I love going into restaurants and the guy says ‘Hi Mel, you’re back’.”
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