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Pregnant women who find out that their baby has a serious disability would no longer be able to have an abortion under amendments to the law tabled in Parliament yesterday.
The amendment, tabled by Baroness Masham of Ilton, would remove the right to abortion on grounds of foetal abnormality. The law currently allows for late abortion if tests suggest that the baby will be seriously disabled. The amendment to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill is the first serious attempt to change the law for 17 years.
Baroness Marsham said it was unacceptable for babies to be aborted for disabilities that can now be treated after advances in medical science. She said that disabled people should be valued.
The Antenatal Results and Choices charity said that it was unthinkable that parents should be forced to have a disabled child when they felt they could not cope, or that was likely to die at the time of birth.
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Congratulations to Baroness Marsham. My name is Val Surbey, I live in Canada and have adopted (along with my husband who is now disabled and in chronic care) four boys with disabilities. It makes me sad that my children are not valued by some of the misguided people who have responded negatively. My boys offer gifts to the world which would be a sad place without them. Shame on you for devaluing my children. Shame on you for insulting them by using the word "retarded". Kudos to the British for finally realizing that EVERY human being has a right to live.
Val Surbey
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
Val Surbey, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
The early posts here are truly scary. What we are saying is that we are justified in killing a human being if we consider the cost of caring for him or her to be too great. Anyone who objects must take personal responsibility.
OK then. My neighbour is about to kill her disabled child / parent. Must I stand back if I am not able to take over responsibility? No? How is this different? Because the child is still in the motherâs womb? But it is viable so it could be removed and cared for without the mother. But no. Weâll inject a lethal cocktail into its heart and deliver it dead. If it fails to die we will leave it cold and hungry until it does. So thatâs OK to save us all the responsibility. I ask again, how is that more justifiable than what my neighbour proposes?
If we cannot see the sheer evil in this we are truly lost.
I wish Baroness Masham well with her amendments.
Pauline Gately, Surrey,
Bravo Lady Masham. The measure of a just society is how it treats its weakest members. In a just society the strong make sacrifices for the weak. An unjust society, by contrast, sacrifices the weak for the strong. Which kind of society would you rather live in?
Interdependence and bearing one another's burdens are part of being human. The Baroness is making the point that disabled people should have the same rights to protection, empathy and love as able bodied people, both within the womb and beyond.
I am horrified to read some of the comments on this page which would not be out of place in the literature of the eugenics movement of the 1930s.
Peter Saunders, St Albans, England
The sign of a retarded nation.
Resources are dedicated to non-productivity, which in turn holds more rights than the productive
Where are the resources for the gifted children?
Retarded thinking. Retarded action.
The Great British Empire has left the station.
Sandra Ashworth, Reading, Berkshire
The amendment tabled by Baroness Masham, who is herself disabled, is asking for a level-playing field in abortion.
Currently 'abled' babies can be aborted up to 24 weeks and disabled babies up to birth. One law for one and a more ruthless law for the other. This makes a complete mockery of our lip service to anti-discrimination legislation and our claims to respect the rights of the disabled.
Well done, Lady Masham, and shame on the people making such horrifying comments about those with disability.
Josephine Quintavalle, London,
Everyone who has posted on this seems very opposed to Baroness Masham of Ilton's proposals. One must remember though that feotus' with a cleft palet (sp?) can also be aborted after term, whilst really they have no real kinds of mental / physical impairments.
Further, it's important to regard recent scientific research where it is proven that feotus' even before term have feelings. Whilst I understand that it is life changing and exceedingly difficult (maybe that's an understatement) for those who have to bring up a disabled child, in light of medical adancements, surely the burden would be lifted somewhat. It's just that aborting babies with disabilities I feel is almost reminiscent of Hitler killing disabled people as they were deemed imperfect and not worthy of life.
Suz, London, England
The United Kingdom is committed to anti-discrimination laws, and these include protection for the disabled in our so-called equal society.
Well done to Baroness Masham. Discrimination begins in the womb. Abortion is permitted up to birth for disability but only up to 24 weeks if you happen to be 'able-bodied; whatever that means.
To read these contributions in favour of such discrimination makes me very uncomfortable indeed.
Josephine Quintavalle London
Josephine Quintavalle, London,
Anyone forced to bear a severely disable child under this amendment should insist Baroness Masham of Ilton takes personal responsibility for the resulting child for the rest of it's life.
Thalia, London,
Baroness Marsham lives in cloud cuckoo land in her assumptions about such mothers. Surely this is a case where abortion makes a lot of sense - not least on economic grounds, due to the reduced burden on the NHS & the tax payer.
Ray, Dartmouth,
I hope Baroness Marsham has the billions that it will cost to keep these children when their parents give them up. It makes me howl with laughter when people totally unconnected to those giving birth iimpose their view. My immediate thought is 'how dare they?' You'd have to be pretty arrogant to force your view of how someone elses life should be onto them, wouldn't you? Mind you, 'arrogant' is exactly what our current politicians are.
Judy , Liverpool, england
Madness! Utter madness!
Disabled people should be valued? Does the noble lady try to suggest that we ought to ensure that a proportion of disabled foetuses be allowed to carry to term so that she can have her quota?
There is obviously a huge range of disabilities. They range from those that are trivial to those that are hugely difficult to treat and manage, and which condemn the person born with such to live a very abject life.
Indeed, it strikes me that the ONE situation where abortion might be most justified is when it's used to prevent the birth of massively deformed and disabled babies.
It's all well and good for the noble Lady to value disabled folk. It's quite another when your family life is wrecked, other children neglected, and parents worn to a frazzle from trying to provide care for a disabled youngster.
And what if the child that is born reaches a stage where its parents have died? Who is going to provide 24/7 care then? The NHS won't or can't.
Chris Palmer, Southampton, England