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Steve Ballmer, the Microsoft chief executive, believes that the craze for individual social networks such as Facebook risks being exposed as a “fad”, an admission that places questions over the software giant’s mooted interest in the website.
“I think these things [social networks] are going to have some legs, and yet there’s a faddishness, a faddish nature about anything that basically appeals to younger people,” Mr Ballmer told Times Online yesterday.
The remarks follow reports last week that the Microsoft boss, who has committed himself to stir up Microsoft’s lacklustre share price by extending the group’s online presence, is weighing up taking a stake in Facebook that could value the social networking site at $10 billion (£5 billion).
Mr Ballmer would not comment on Microsoft’s talks with Facebook but did suggest that he could see value in the Facebook brand and the “network effects” – or community – the site has built up by accruing more than 40 million users in the three years since it start.
However, he added that there was little in the way of technology to justify the lofted valuation attached to a site expected to achieve revenues of only $150 million this year.
“There can’t be any more deep technology in Facebook than what dozens of people could write in a couple of years. That’s for sure,” he said.
It is understood that Microsoft has held early talks to pay as much as $500 million for a 5 per cent stake in Facebook, which was named last week as the most popular social network in the UK by Netratings, the research group, passing MySpace for the first time.
A move by Microsoft for the current belle of the internet ball would almost certainly trigger counter interest from a clutch of rivals including Google, the leader in search advertising, and Viacom, the media giant, analysts said.
Mr Ballmer also noted that sites such as Geocities, an online community that was bought for $3 billion by Yahoo! in 1999, at the height of the dot-com boom, “had most of what Facebook has.”
Geocities has since passed out of favour.
Betting that his site will not meet the same fate, Mark Zuckerberg, 23, the founder of Facebook, has mooted a valuation of $15 billion but so far has insisted that Facebook will remain independent.
Mr Zuckerberg is understood to have rebuffed approaches last year from suitors including Yahoo!, which is thought to have offered about $1 billion.
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I believe in what Ballmer has to say - the site's popularity is already falling off in Canada as the novelty has worn off. Few people are interested in such minutiae of other's people's lives, like "Jon is happy it's a sunny day" etc. Plus, parents and teachers are signing up, further reducing cool.
Arvin, Toronto, Canada
Facebook has been great to catch up with old friends i never thought id see again , but if greedy microsoft get in on it could turn grey , there well known for holding users to ransom eg if you dont update your software windows live wont work etc.
If msn get onboard it will be advert city an hiden agenda galore
there is already to many flash adverts which stop people sensitive
to bright lights using facebook its unfair on people with light sensitive health problems not to be part of it. Id rather google get in then msn or worse yahoo an aol facebooks bigest downfall is there is not enough local uk networks like liverpool an chester we want more local city networks open to join to everyone.
tim, Ellesmere port, cheshire
Facebook, unlike other social network sites, is no fad, thanks to its dynamic nature and multitude of potential uses. Steve Ballmer needs to get of his high horse and stop acting cocky. So what if something appeals to "young people?" What's so wrong about that?
Muhamamd, Blaine, MN
Okay, I never thought that I would say this, but I am actually on Ballmers side on this one.
It seems to me like most companies are missing the point of how these sites work. There is a lifecycle to all these, which goes like: -
The 'cool kids' find a site that offers services and features that they like and move to it.
General public follows the 'cool kids' and the site account holders grow exponentially.
The 'cool kids' friends also grow exponentially until they reach an unmanageable level.
The 'cool kids' are then crowded out. The site is not cool anymore so they move on to something newer and better.
The cycle continues.
We have seen this with the growth of myspace, following it's set up as a social network site for musicians. This then got too big and there was a move to Facebook, there will be a move from Facebook too, it is the natural cycle.
My advise? Value the site on what you estimate to be the value you can get out of it's users for a 3 year period max.
Simon, Brisbane, Australia
My firm bet is that the deal will happen at north of $10 billion, it will involve $500 million in cash and Microsoft will get a guarantee that Facebook wonât sell to Google and Microsoft will get the right to handle CPC ad sales when Facebook opens up their search box to returning more than just people/events/groups/apps. The big question in the deal is the degree to which Microsoft commits to grow facebookâs business users by weaving facebook sign-ups into their Microsoft Office install process.
The reason I can be so sure about this is because Steve also said that in 2 to 3 years 25% of Microsoftâs revenue would come from ads. To make this come true Steve needs a deal with Facebook. When it does happen, color Google green with envy.
Thanks,
Lee Lorenzen
CEO, Altura Ventures -- the first facebook-only VC
Lee Lorenzen, Monterey, CA
Steve Ballmer is positioning for a cheaper offer, that's all.
David, Mountain View,
Share the same sentiments from Nicholas. The question right now is if Facebook will move into ubiquity (like MSN) or obscurity (like ICQ). ICQ boasted some 100 million users at one point, but with poor software updates, many people migrated to MSN.
I'm under the impression that MS is downplaying FB's popularity to give it a more favorable position (and price) in the current negotiations.
Colin, Richmond Hill,
Ballmer continues to demonstrate that he is a member of an exclusive set of outdated executives which are ignoring the sociological culture of the new Internet. Social communities like Facebook are brands that have evolved from their university origins to now serve a business need of it's user population. They grow and adapt as a brand. Content management systems like Joomla & Drupal already perform what Facebook does with just a few hours of tweaking. It's the culture that drives the technology, not the technology drives the culture. That continues to be Microsoft's challenge in the open information age. The tools will evolve regardless of commercial investment and this will continue to challenge traditional companies like Microsoft. Focus on applications Steve, not infrastructure such as the operating system. The community has spoken, Vista is a failure so maybe you just open source it. Community and brand loyalty might return if Microsoft would finally give back.
Christopher Justice, Austin, Texas, USA
Hotmail and MSN Messenger are two examples of now pervasive entities that began as "faddish things appealing to younger people." So there.
nicholas, London, Canada
Every time Ballmer speaks, it sinks Microsoft one inch deeper into irrelevance and oblivion.
Not that I would totally hate them freeing some air for others to breathe !
Rachel, Gotham,