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Tim Martin, the colourful founder of JD Wetherspoon, risked an outcry yesterday by claiming that “manic measures” to keep teenagers out of pubs were not the answer to tackling Britain’s binge-drinking culture.
Mr Martin, whose Wetherspoon chain runs 670 pubs, insisted that he was not calling for a reduction in licensing laws, but he believed the Government was misreading the problem of teenage drinking if it thought the answer was to fine pubs that mistakenly let them in.
Mr Martin said: “When 16-year-olds cannot get into pubs they’ll just get alcohol – often bought for them by their parents – and go to the park or market square instead. They’ll drink without adult supervision and more often than not, instead of relatively low-alcohol drinks such as beer, stronger drinks like vodka will come out.”
He added: “I’m not saying I think 17-year-olds should be let into pubs. I don’t know what the solution is, but the Government is misreading the problem. There’s an illusion of action, but it’s having no effect.
“Who hasn’t had a drink by the time they’re 18? . . . the real problem is our culture; the problem is the England cricket team win the Ashes and go off drinking for three days and all that happens is everyone thinks it’s great.”
Mr Martin wrote in Wetherspoon’s in-house magazine last month that by trying to tackle underage drinking, politicians were making the problem worse. He said that staff were turning away many people over 20 because they were scared of being caught out by trading standards officers constantly testing landlords by sending 15 or 16-year-olds into pubs.
Pubs caught out in this way face heavy fines or the threat of having their licence revoked. Mr Martin’s 22-year-old daughter was turned away from a Wetherspoon pub recently because she did not have ID.
His comments yesterday came as Wetherspoon revealed the first signs that the smoking ban recently introduced in England and Wales is beginning to hit business.
Shares in the group fell 5.9 per cent, or 35½p to 562½p, as it said that after an initial sales spurt in July when the ban was first introduced, like-for-like sales growth in August fell back to 1.1 per cent. That is five times lower than the average over the previous 12 months.
The setback overshadowed the full-year results, which showed that annual pretax profits rose 6 per cent to £62 million in the year to July.
John Hutson, the Wetherspoon chief executive, acknowledged that he was “cautious” over the prospects for the coming year. He said: “I expect what we will see in England and Wales will be the sort of experience we had in Scotland. Initially, there were strong sales because everyone wanted to see what it’s like in a pub without smoking. Then sales fell back for a few months before eventually recovering again.
“If we can achieve 1.1 per cent for the rest of the year, then we will be happy. You have to remember it still means we are growing sales. Some analysts were expecting flat-to-zero growth.”
Mr Hutson said he was encouraged that food sales were holding up and now accounted for a third of all revenue. The group serves 250,000 breakfasts and 400,000 cups of coffee a week. It also recently became the biggest seller of Pimm’s in the UK, serving nearly 1.8 million glasses in the past year.
Mr Hutson said: “Pimm’s is not just for toffs. It’s a great product and more people should be enjoying it.”
Turnover across Wetherspoon in the year to July 29 rose 5 per cent to £888.5 million The group is paying a total dividend of 12p per share, nearly three times the 4.7p per share payout a year ago.
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As a landlord who owns several pubs I fear the worse for the pub trade in the UK.Until the Government start to realise that the answer is not to keep harassing the licenced trade by wagging the finger of blame at pubs.It is time the Government turned its attention to the supermarkets and corner shops that sell alcohol cheaper than a pub can buy it for.Government keep banging on about binge drinking and underage sale of alcohol.How many images do you see of youngsters holding PINT glasses on the corner of streets they are always bottles! Bottles from the off trade.I suspect that the Goverment would like to see the demise of the local so people didn't go there and interact,talk about politics etc. If they can keep us all at home they can feed them propaganda direct into our lounge! Government have created ADZ's (Alcohol Disorder Zones) Licencees have to pay for the police in these areas.They already have contributed to them by paying rates.Look at the saving on police if we stay at home
Kevan, Atherstone, UK
Generally laws should either be enforced or repealed. The drinking age laws are an exception. Clearly we don't want drinks marketing to children, or a gaggle of teenagers getting drunk in a pub with the landlord's approval. However a couple of pints occasionally at sixteen, and most sixteen year olds can't afford any more, does not harm at all. If they are unlucky, the landlord throws them out. The law is there, but it is should be laxly enforced.
Tim Martin knows the pub business, and he has no desire to turn his outlets into troublespots, believe me.
Malcolm McLean, Bradford, UK
If the government was truly serious about underage drinking they would ban alcohol sales from every outlet other than pubs, nightclubs and restaurants. That would mean taking away the licence of every supermarket etc which now sells alcohol. But of course they would loose revenue if they did that so it is out of the question. As someone who ran a pub for nearly ten years and fell foul of the drink laws would suggest that those who complain about underage drinking should work in the industry and see for themselves the difficulties experienced in policing a premises. It would also help if parents of under age drinkers were prosecuted instead of the licencees.
peter griffiths, Ammanford, UK
I think the fact alcohol was more of a challenge to get ,got us even more excited about drinking at 13/14! We got alcohol through friends, family, parents stock... We all loved it because we got the thrills, we were free of any other superiority, it was in a sense our mismanaged first sense of liberty! But it stuck. We saw young adults, our role models in a sense, constantly binge drinking and seeing them coming out of pubs in dreadful condition, etc. It made it that much more socially acceptable. Another factor which helps teenage binge drinking is the ease at which any teenager could leave the house on the evenings. My euro-teenage counterparts would be forbidden by parents to leave in the evenings. Maily because of the importance of school and education & hence their risk of having to re-do the academic year but also they didn't see their parents, friends take part in it. Pubs supply demand but laws which induce adult b-driking and the lack of solid education are to be blamed.
Tom Matthews , Cambridge, Coventry
I think the problem with teenage drinking is caused in the main by the number of unscrupulous shopkeepers willing to sell alcholic drinks to under age children ,mostly I am sorry to say are Asians. It is time the police cracked down on this and prevented it. They should also bank anyone for knowingly buying drink for underage persons.
Simon K, London, UK