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The US Department of Justice (DoJ) is in talks to establish whether it can launch a formal inquiry into alleged bribery and corruption in BAE Systems, The Times has learnt.
Mike O’Brien, the Solicitor-General, acknowledged that the UK’s Serious Fraud Office (SFO) has met the DoJ to discuss allegations of corrupt practices by BAE.
The DoJ is understood to be looking into whether it has the jurisdiction to pursue BAE over payments allegedly made to win defence contracts from foreign governments. The British Government terminated a similar investigation by the SFO in December amid fears that it would cause a breakdown in relations with Saudi Arabia.
The SFO has six continuing investigations into BAE, involving contracts won from South Africa, Chile, Romania, Tanzania, Qatar and the Czech Republic. Last week it emerged that an official at the US Embassy in London had complained formally to the British Government over the decision to stop the SFO’s Saudi investigation.
The DoJ’s discussions with the SFO are thought to have focused on payments made by Red Diamond, a British Virgin Islands company, to middlemen and officials involved in awarding BAE contracts in various countries. Red Diamond apparently is a subsidiary of BAE.
If President Bush’s Corporate Fraud Task Force, which is operated by the DoJ, can establish that money or communications from Red Diamond entered US jurisdiction, even in the form of electronic data, then BAE could be pursued under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
Penalties under the Act are severe. Companies can be fined millions of dollars, forced to pay back profits from corrupt deals and excluded from US government contracts.
Vince Cable, the Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrats, told the Commons last night that the allegations of corruption against BAE were damaging the reputation of Britain overseas. He also asked what help the UK authorities were giving to the DoJ and what the Department of Trade and Industry was doing to investigate Red Diamond and its links to BAE. Dr Cable said yesterday: “How can we allow an operation like Red Diamond to be hidden offshore, given the concerns about money laundering and corrupt practices?”
In a written answer to a question from Dr Cable, Mr O’Brien said: “The Serious Fraud Office has met with representatives of the US Department of Justice to discuss case-related matters.”
The DoJ declined to comment. A spokeswoman for BAE said: “We are not aware of any investigation or any intent to investigate by the DoJ.”
Michael Marinelli, an international trade lawyer with Cooley Godward Kronish in Washington, said: “The DoJ will look for any kind of thread that runs through the US, including wire instructions.”
Baker Hughes, the oil services company, paid $44 million (£22 million) in fines last week for breaching the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
The Investigators
The President’s Taskforce on Corporate Fraud at the US Department of Justice
The Law
Foreign Corrupt Practice Act
Potential Penalties
Loss of profits, debarred from government contracts, civil and criminal fines, executives can be jailed
US Sales: £5.5bn
Total Sales: £13.7bn
US employees: 36,000
Total employees: 88,000
BAE is the world’s fourth largest defence company. It is the seventh largest in the US domestic market
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I echo the sentiments of E Jackson, Times readers would do well to read the Iron Triangle, concerning involvement of US politicians and ex Presidents in the Carlyle Private Equity group, glass houses and stone throwing.....Do Boeing, Lockhead etc. not pay commission to secure business ever? There seems to be an automatic supposition that if it is offshore then it is corrupt, this is naive, perfectly legitimate business operates legally through offshore jurisdictions, over 95% of the Fortune 500 companies have a point of presence in Bermuda for instance.
L Atkins, Reading,
It is evident that BAE must not have been conforming to the ground rules of the Carlyle Group, set up and organised by the political leaders of the US, the UK, Saudi Arabia, and like-minded countries just for the purpose of furthering and concealing such corrupt practises.
David Wilson, Territet, Switzerland
Given the vast political corruption and corporate mismanagement in America, the president's Corporate Fraud takforce ought to have its hands full already. Could anyone take the yanks less seriously!?
phil, London, uk
This is funny. No-one is seriously denying that corruption has taken place. No-one is seriously denying that the Brits stopped the investigation into the corruption because of your special relationship with the Saudis. But everyone IS outraged.
I mean, how dare the Americans look into corruption. I mean if Americans do anything, it's evil (by definition). And then there's my favorite suggestion--if you want to break the law, use pounds sterling or Euros--much safer.
Regards,
Inna
Inna Tysoe, Sacramento,
The penalties mentioned in this article seem draconian to say the least. Bae has shown in the past that it does not have spare money to invest to any significant degree.
If the American Dept of Justice goes ahead with this, are we subsequently going to find a 'knock-on effect' on the Bae Systems' Pension Scheme?
D. O'Rorke, Farnham, Surrey
If any of the payments were made in US$ and involving electronic money, BAe are in big trouble. Even if someone was given a cheque, the clearing of the cheque would probably involve an electronic payment between the payer's and receiver's banks, and that payment in US$ would clear in the USA. Good lesson - bung in Euro or Sfr, and what's so wrong with the dear old £££?
Bob, Thames Ditton, UK
What a cheek.
There was, and perhaps still is, no other way to get major work in Saudi at except to pay commission fees or whatever they were called.
If the US wants to investigate BAe then perhaps they should also look at Lockheed, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and a few other similar companies that also won multi-billion dollar contracts around the same time.
This is rank hypocrisy and should be declared as such now.
David, Dubai, UAE
Join the real world! Business is business, and it is normal practice to pay "commissions" to obtain contracts - a recognized 'on-cost" of doing business in certain countries.
Chris Robinson, Hong Kong,
Moral to the Americans.
"Why beholdest thou the mote in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye"
In others words put your own house in order first
Robert Peake, Malaga, Spain
The US Department of Justice are being very astute. This will open up the defence markets currently dominated by BAE to the major players in the US. Competition comes in many guises.
Chris Coles, Medstead, Alton, United Kingdom
'Bribes' are not a crime in Arabia. So we should stop being so high and bloody mighty in the West, especially as every country that has sold military hardware to Saudi Arabia will have greased some Princes palm to facilitate the deal. The DoJ should be given zero assistance by our rubber-spined government officials.
David Thijm, Stourbridge, UK
US pursuing this.?!!..for heavens sake., he who is without sin eh?.
kirk, Rotherham, UK
I do not think it is right, BUT TELL the Yanks to go take a running jump. It is none of their busines to be bully boys to the world./
E Jackson, Derby, England