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Boeing is trying to push its advantage over Airbus, its ailing rival, with an all-new design for the biggest sector in the world’s aircraft industry.
The Seattle jet maker has started negotiations with global airlines over the future design of the Boeing 737 as it seeks to dominate the $1,000 billion (£515 billion) market for the workhorse of the skies in future decades.
Jim McNerney, Boeing’s chairman and chief executive, confirmed last week that talks are taking place with airline customers on what they want from a revamped 737.
The Times understands that two early prototypes have been drawn up: a wider, twin-aisle version and a shorter, single-aisle jet. These have been dubbed Fat Boy and Little Boy.
Mr McNerney has also confirmed that the new 737, which will appear in the middle of the next decade, is likely to have a carbon fibre fuselage to make it more fuel-efficient and more environmentally friendly.
The 737 is the world’s best-selling airliner with 6,831 sold since its mid1960s launch. It is ubiquitous on short routes and a favourite of budget airlines.
The 737 is on its ninth variation, but, at heart, is more than 40 years old. It is also under pressure from Airbus’s newer A320, and Boeing has decided that the 737 needs an overhaul.
However, given the enduring popularity of the 737, Boeing needs to offer a jet that is a substantial advance in technology to win the airlines’ imagination.
Mr McNerney said: “We do not have a concept yet, but are going around the airlines asking what capability they want.”
Several options are understood to be under consideration. One is a twin-aisle 737, which would allow Boeing to increase seats without stretching the aircraft too far.
A 220-seat 737 could allow airlines to carry more people and Boeing to fill a gap between the 190-seat 737 and its new 787, which has about 250 seats.
There remains a big market for smaller city-hopper flights and Boeing is unlikely to leave this to Airbus or Bombardier and Embraer, which have traditionally built sub100 seat aircraft. A second, shorter 737 with up to 150 seats could therefore be launched to fill this gap.
Boeing expects the single-aisle market to grow by 11,000 aircraft to 21,470 by 2025.
With Airbus busy sorting out problems with its A380 and designing the A350, Boeing could take a lead at the small end.
Doug McVitie, of Arran Aero-space, said of the 737: “Airlines love this plane and Boeing has to keep that interest.”
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DC9 / MD80 Series was great design - The main problem is the it realistically should have been a 2 + 2 seating configuration. 3 + 2 -- as actually configured -- is a sardine can.
Solution to a great airplane: Take basic MD80 architecture, build with composites, add ultra high bypass engines, mounted using active vibe mounts, silence the accountants and Wall Street greed-mongers and limit it to a 2 + 2 configuration.
travisrd, Tucson, AZ
Boeing should make a scaled down 787 complete with the new technologies that are built into the 787 and spend their capital and invest heavily into such a model. Airbus does not have neither the engineering nor the capital to keep up, resulting in the 737 replacement being 3 to 5 years ahead of the A320 replacement.
Sam, Santa Ana, CA, USA
Not much European bias in these posts :-) Airbus needs to get it's act together with the A380 and it's underpowered A321. The 777 and 787 rock! And so will the new 737
Kenny D, New York, New York
It is about time Boeing came up with something new in this market, the B737 is so dated. The only reason airlines really still buy it is because they cannot get A320 slots and Boeing offers discounts!!! I would suggest Boeing concentrates on a B777 replacement as the A350 will take this market.
james, swindon,
The 757 is out of production and the 767, whose design dates from the late 1970s, is getting obsolete and likely to be replaced by some smaller versions of the upcoming 787 Dreamliner. The technology has moved on, particularly methods of fuselage construction, and Boeing is right to go with all-new designs, especially given that its European rival's models are all much more recent in origin.
Fred Marconi, Birmingham,
The 737 fuselage is no longer compatible with the ever-expanding waistlines of 6-across passengers. If the new plane also has to last 40 years, then a 38cm width addtion to the single aisle will be the only way it's going to be viable. Somehow Boeing will also have take account of the added 12kg per passenger since the 1960's design first saw light of day. That means added lift capacity of 2,600kg for a full plane of 220 passengers. Since people are now 7cm taller than in 1964, seat pitch for DVT-reduced seating should be planned as 83cm rather than 78cm. It's us changing-size humans that are casuing the discomfort. Remember: The 737 fuselage diameter was first seen in the 707 in the1950's. Look at any boarding line today - the shape of 21st century humans has changed, in most cases sharply for the worse.
John Swainston, Sydney, Australia
I'm not sure Japan Airlines will go for the Little Boy version
Steve Mc, Zurich,
Is there really a gap in the Boeing range for a larger version of the 737? I thought the 200-250 seat range was where the 757 (single aisle) and 767 (two aisles) come in. These planes are more comfortable to fly in, and perhaps could be marketed more instead of going through another expensive development cycle to effectively "reinvent the wheel". I wonder whether Boeing are trying too hard to counter the Airbus image of big planes by projecting themselves as "small".
Austin, London,
I think Boeing is forced to come up with something new. An improved Airbus A320 is on the table and the 737NG won´t be able to match. Of course this is brought up as a great new opportunity but in reality..
Kees Burger, leiden, netherlands
It is quite a nice plane. For over 35 years I have traveled extensively around the world by 737 in all manner of flying conditions and I have to day it is one of the safest planes I have ever encountered. Who cares if it is uncomfortable. You will arrive.
robert peterson, melbourne, australia
The 737 is too narrow and cramped and just generally unpleaseant for anything other than a short hop.
I much prefer the A320 which is just that bit more comfortable.
Any new 737 must be wider.
Peter Goadby, Reading, UK
The airlines may love this plane but , if my view is anything to go by, the customers hate them.
The fuselage diameter is too small and always did cause passengers to hold their elbows in when seated three across. On a long sector - say 4 hours or more - this can be very uncomfortable. I think the fuselage diameter needs to be increased by 12 inches to gave an extra 2 inches to each passenger.
It might also help give the aircraft a wide-body feel (always preferred) without going to a twin-aisle configuration.
John Court, Brisbane, Australia