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Savers on both sides of the Irish Sea started to empty accounts of UK banks and put the proceeds into Irish-owned banks in the wake of a controversial plan by the Republic of Ireland yesterday to guarantee all deposits.
Dublin was accused of making matters worse for non-Irish banks, with corporate treasurers and large savers pulling money out and putting it into the safer haven of Irish banks.
“If this is legal, then I’m a banana,” one disappointed senior British banker said, arguing that the Irish guarantee amounted to unfair state aid.
Lord Lipsey, the chairman of the Financial Services Consumer Panel in the UK, said it was “a national disgrace” that British depositors might be worse compensated than their Irish counterparts in the event of a bank failure. The dispute erupted as British bank chief executives were preparing to argue for policy changes to tackle the financial crisis. A conference call with Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, was scheduled for last night.
Some banks would like there to be a more explicit deposit guarantee announcement from the Government; others want a relaxation of the rules of the Bank of England’s Special Liquidity Scheme.
The Irish Government announced the guarantee in an attempt to avert a run on the Republic’s banks. Irish bank shares crashed on Monday amid fears that depositors were pulling out their money.
Anglo Irish Bank’s shares rose by 68 per cent after Brian Lenihan, the Irish Finance Minister, announced the €400 billion (£317 billion) guarantee. The Government will also underwrite the banks’ loans and debts for an undisclosed fee. The guarantee extends to hundreds of thousands of savers in the UK, who hold deposits with the banks’ subsidiaries, including savers with cash in accounts run by the Post Office.
“If funds are not secured by the Irish banks, it will be a very, very serious matter for the economic life of this community,” Mr Lenihan said.
Brian Cowen, the Taoiseach, told the Dail: “The option of doing nothing, of not making a move, would put at risk the entire stability of the Irish financial system.”
UK depositors using UK branches of Allied Irish Bank and Bank of Ireland are covered.
Irish banks said yesterday that British customers were clamouring to open sterling accounts. Allied Irish Bank, which has £12 billion in UK deposits, mainly from corporate customers, reported an increase in interest from new customers yesterday and said that its website had been swamped with inquiries.
Savings accounts offered by the UK Post Office are covered by the guarantee because they are administered by the Bank of Ireland.
Angela Knight, the head of the British Bankers’ Association, acknowledged that UK banks would lose out. “You’re bound to see a bit of flow,” she said. “Governments will need to iron these things out.”
Although ministers have assured depositors in British banks that their savings are safe, they have stopped short of issuing an explicit government guarantee, as they were forced to do for Northern Rock depositors in the wake of the panic in September last year. President Sarkozy, of France, and Didier Reynders, the Belgian Finance Minister, have made much more straightforward promises to depositors in the past few days.
Kevin McConnell, an analyst for Bloxham Stockbrokers, said that the Irish Republic was now the safest place in Europe for global depositors to store funds. “This could act as a blueprint for a lot of countries across Europe in how they fix the credit crisis,” he said.
However, the move could backfire and hit the credit rating of the Republic. Credit default swaps on Irish sovereign debt - basically, insurance policies against default - ballooned yesterday.
One policy reform being pushed by some British banks is an extension of the Bank of England’s Special Liquidity Scheme to allow assets of inferior quality to be pledged in return for highly tradable government bonds. At present, only high-quality securitised mortgage assets can be pledged, but bankers are pushing to be allowed to offer securities backed by buy-to-let mortgages, self-certified mortgages and even more toxic assets.
Some banks are also pressing hard for measures to insulate them from mark-to-market accounting rules, which force them to write down the value of assets to market levels.
Treasury insiders and other well-placed official sources played down any immediate prospect of a “grand plan” to bail out British banks.
Any decision was likely to wait to see whether the US Congress approves a revamped bailout plan for the financial industry, which larger British banks are expected to be able to access.
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Why the fuss in Britain about Irish banks? In Dublin we have for many months now Northern Rock deposits guaranteed by Britain.
Edmond, Dublin, Ireland
If the guarantees provided to Irish banks are called, the Irish taxpayers will have to work for more than two years without pay to meet their liabilities. I do not see that happening. Still, the British saver does not think about whether Irish guarantees are good. A fool and his money......
TonyG, Newark,
More 'dithering' by the government, if your listening brown get a move on old boy or i'll move my money out of the UK.
John Teasley, Birmingham,
I am curious to know *how* the Irish government can guarantee these deposits as it has a higher per capita national debt than the UK does? Backdoor subsidy from the ECB - ie the Germans bailing them out?
Paul, Coventry,
Superb move. No-one pulls their deposits out, banks carry on doing what they should have done for decades, take deposits and lend to those that can pay on time. No need for bail outs, a pre-emptive strike and a lesson to the rest of the banking world. Well done Ireland.
Phil, Abu Dhabi, UAE
would this have so much coverage if another "euro" country did the same - doubtful - if bankers gambling is legal I'm a leprechaun!
Seaneen, london,
I would have thought it was obvious that none of these guarantees are worth anything The whole principle of the banking system is that they haven't got your money ; its been lent to somebody else, apart from a small reserve which has probably been"invested" in worthless toxic assets.
Steve Blencowe, Northampton,
At last the British have to acknowledge that the Irish are smarter and quicker on the draw than they are.
Brian P O Cinneide, eThekwini, Afrika Borwa
I don't even know whether the £35000 uk scheme covers accrued interest payment or not, such is the vagueness of our financial & political masters. Any offers of an answer?
jon, bristol, uk
Dear Banana Banker. How is it unfair?
Its only unfair because it puts your bank at disadvantage... boo hoo! So its fair for a bank to get state aid to prop it up, but the innocent savers should lose anything over £35K? This sort of comment is why majority have no sympathy for the banking world!
Brendan, Newport, UK
At least Ireland is offering some guarantees/protection for businesses.
Theres been much talk of 35k guarantee in UK for personal savers - but there is no protection offered for limited companies with money in the bank.
I can see lots of businesses switching if UK doesn't come up with something!
shelley, chippenham, uk
Brillantly played! To offer the guarantee guarantees that they will not have to use it since all cash will be flowing to their coffers!!
Instead of sulking the British should join the euro and offer the same guarantee!!
antoine, London, uk
We assume that Irish banks have not taken on toxic debt . How do we know that? Irish reserves are only sufficient to cover half of the exposure of one of the three largest banks if a bailout were needed. With Ireland in the Euro, it cannot print more money nor alter interest rates unilaterally.
Elizabeth, Manchester,
Time the UK got with the programme. The ad hoc approach of the Lab goverment is reactionary rather than being pro active,Lloyds , once a bastion of conservatism,is now coming under pressure because of its proposed takeover of HBOS. Shareholder value in UK instiutions are being eroded daily. Act now.
Colm, London, UK
Well done Ireland. A sensible decison. Our beloved leader Gordon will be forced to offer the same guarantee in the UK to raise interest rates to finance his massive govt borrowing and attract capital. Otherise money world wide will be heading to Ireland. Also going to be interesting how EU fares
Rupert, London, UK
Add the deposit guarantee to the irish lower business tax rate, and Ireland may come through this flying.
Marie, Tipperary, Ireland
An elegant solution, implemented with speed. The Irish Govt are not taking over the toxic loans. They are providing insurance at a cost to the banks, they are not taking any responsibility for large corporate or property loans. They should be commended for not sitting on their hands. Terry Dublin
terry macmanus, dublin, ireland
This is a smart and common sense decision by Ireland being in the euro and therefore linked to the ECB means it has a fallback scenario which the UK does not have, all in all the perfect calming measure for now when its really needed and inspires confidence now and for the future ,well done Ireland
Eric, London , UK
It's also a disgrace that individuals pay lower taxes and companies pay lower corporation taxes in Ireland - but it's a different country so it can do what it wants. In the UK we would be voting for reducing taxation - if only there was a credible party offering it to us..
Mark, London , UK
£317 Billion is a lot of money for a small country like Ireland. The Irish Govt must be on its hands and knees praying that they dont have to fulfil this guarantee otherwise we will be seeing a bankrupt Ireland.
Samir Hassan, Glasgow, UK
One big confidence trick! Ireland cannot pay out on default. It would only take Bank of Ireland to go and with E200bn of assets and Irish GDP at E187bn they would be in big trouble. So before you take your cash to Ireland understand the numbers do not stack up. You could be more at risk!
Chris, London, UK
Why would people think this "is this the end of the Euro" and that Irsihmen should "pull your Euros out while you can?"
Tom, Co Meath,
To "Austin Peckham, Victoria, B.C., Canada." AIB doesn't haev big exposure to toxic securities. Their operations in Eastern Europe are enormously strong. Of course, the housing market in Ireland is a bit of a concern but overall, the future looks positive.
Kris, Bristol,
Instead of Bankers squabbling with governments over deposit guarantees, they should guaranteeing all deposits themselves.
Louis , Liverpool, UK
The end of the euro.
debra smith, london,
irishmen, pull your euros out while you still can!
eric, cavan,
Why put your money in the trust of such a small economy? An economy that is highly dependent on outside influences for its credibility. The Celtic tiger is a myth.
Cuthbert, Perth,
At last a bit of real leadership. Brian Cowan has got this one right..
colette, dublin, ireland
Why would the Irish Government be immune from the global melt-down that everyone else is experiencing? What crap...they're blowing off a lot of hot air with their ridiculous deposit "guarantee".
Austin Peckham, Victoria, B.C., Canada
B cowen is the man, what a plan, now with all the rest of the european banks crying out for cash, the irish banks will be flush with green. Just when we thought all jobs were gone now we are back in the game,WELCOME TO THE NEW SWITZERLAND.
Bloody Brillant
mary Lee, pottersbar,
Physical gold and silver for safety.
Serpens, Turgu, Finland
The Irish government cannot afford this on its own. So through the back door we have Brussels meddling in our fnancial system.
D.L. Stephens, York, England
Here here. This should have been ages ago. Its a better route than nationalisation but there will have to be a number of limitations on the Bill that reflect that its a short term measure for exceptional times.
Martin , Dublin, Ireland
Ireland had to take the lead, where is the little French Fellow and the rest of Europe?
Equity holder can still loose if they have made bad loans, this just give the banks the ability to carry on operations and borrow to continue operations.
No credit crunch, no need to be lender of last resort.
Alex, Dublin, Irelan