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The architects of the £12 billion rescue of HBOS were accused yesterday of playing politics with jobs after a clause was inserted into the deal that appears to protect jobs in Scotland, despite no equivalent reassurance for workers south of the Border.
Managers of the new superbank are under pressure to find savings by cutting tens of thousands of jobs, but analysts said that a deal that was easier on employees in Scotland would likely result in more redundancies in England and Wales.
The clause on page one of the formal takeover document promises that “the management focus is to keep jobs in Scotland”. There is no similar reassurance about jobs in England and Wales.
With the Glenrothes by-election weeks away and support for Labour draining away in one of its traditionally strongest heartlands, the Government is desperate not to alienate Scottish voters.
Sir Victor Blank, chairman of Lloyds TSB, said yesterday that the Prime Minister had not asked for any concession on Scottish jobs, but admitted that he had intervened in other aspects of the deal.
Gordon Brown, he said, had insisted that the combined bank should continue to offer as many mortgages and loans for small companies as both banks had in the past. “We were asked [by Mr Brown] about lending and we said we would maintain our levels of lending,” he said.
The Government also took the unprecedented step of waiving normal competition rules that would have blocked the deal, which will create a superbank with a very large market share in almost all personal banking products, including mortgages, savings, credit cards and personal loans.
Sir Victor described estimates that up to 40,000 jobs could be lost from the combined 142,000-strong workforce of Lloyds TSB and HBOS as ridiculous. However, he declined to make his own estimate, saying only that he would find cost savings of well in excess of £1 billion within three years. He declined to rule out compulsory redundancies but pointed out that both banks had a good record of treating employees well.
The deal will not be completed until the turn of the year and the cost savings target is over three years, so any job losses could be some time away.
One expert, Jason Knight, of the management consultant PIPC, which advised Royal Bank of Scotland on its merger with National Westminster Bank in 2001, said that job cuts from the Lloyds TSB/HBOS takeover were likely to be substantial. “The numbers bandied about of 20,000 to 40,000 are not going to be far off,” he said.
As well as staff in 3,000 branches across the country, the two banks employ thousands in centres in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Halifax, Leeds, Newport, Bristol, Chester, London and Speke.
Asked whether the Scotland concession would make English and Welsh job losses more likely, Alex Potter, a banking analyst with Collins Stewart, said: “Absolutely. The job cuts have got to be found somewhere.”
One source close to the deal said that the clause was meaningless and would not make jobs in England and Wales any less secure. It was not clear why it was inserted so prominently or by whom. However, advisers to the deal are understood to have spent a disproportionate amount of time over the Scotland aspects.
In further concessions to Scotland, the two banks said that HBOS’s grand headquarters on the Mound, in Edinburgh, would serve as a Scottish headquarters for the combined bank. Shareholders’ meetings would also be held in Scotland and Bank of Scotland banknotes would still be printed, continuing a right that the bank has held since the 17th century.
Derek Simpson, the joint general secretary of the Unite trade union, which has 20,000 members in the two banks, called on Lloyds TSB to end the speculation about jobs. “It must be unbearable for the staff who have to turn up to work each day, not knowing what this takeover means for them. It’s now time for Eric Daniels and Andy Hornby [chief executives of Lloyds TSB and HBOS] to come clean, sit down with the unions and begin a meaningful and transparent dialogue.”
Lloyds TSB said that it would achieve cost savings by eliminating duplicated branches, combining the life and pensions businesses and head office functions such as finance, risk and personnel, and consolidating data centres and networks.
As part of the merger, Mr Hornby will stay on at the bank and receive almost £2 million worth of shares. Andy Love, a member of the Treasury Select Committee, said: “This will be a bitter pill for any employee at HBOS or Lloyds TSB who loses their job.”
Lord Stevenson of Coddenham, the HBOS chairman, admitted that the board had made mistakes but said that the deal was the right decision. “Against the backdrop of the very high levels of volatility our industry is experiencing, the combined group will be one of the strongest players in the UK financial services sector.”
No name for the combined bank has been decided. The deal requires approval from the shareholders of both banks.
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Don't the Scots already get enough handouts from the English?Enough already!
oliver, brighton,
Top management changes, the resources are British. the allocation of resources will be determined by profitability and growth. Capital is coming back from emerging marketes, and service centres returned to the UK because there are skillfull and dependable staff here, our banks are expanding abroad
Goldfinger, Gloucester, UK
What a bunch of terminally uninformed English whingers we always get in these columns. The English don't bother to find out the facts before spouting their xenophobic drivel, so why should anyone else, Scottish or not, care about them and their jobs?
Graeme Bell, Dinan, France
Andy Hornby should apologise to the public and acknowledge he hasn't got a clue about what he is doing.His smug arrogant demeanour is an absolute disgrace and an insult to ordinary hard working decent people north and south of the border.
Rajeev, London,
What has the Labour MP for Halifax got to say about this? Is she outraged and threatening to call a by election? When will English MPs start to look after the interests of their constituents?
Derek, Southampton, England
Dealing with HBOS was a nightmare with front-line staff unable to answer simple queries. The new enlarged bank can be no worse , it might even be better.
Ken, Edinburgh, UK
Prior to the merger with the Halifax The Bank of Scotland was an excellent bank with prudent and canny management and it rated very highly in customer satisfaction tables.The merger with The Halifax ruined it.Most Scots are furious at what has happened to it and I for one will be closing my account
Kate McGibbon, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Brown is now acting like a tinpot dictator, bypassing the law when he feels like and offering grubby little bribes to his banking buddies. He should be removed from office immediately.
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dave, cannock, England
Too bad for the Jocks. I don't recall any concern over English jobs when RBS took over NatWest. Is anybody saying that Jocks don't work south of the border?? I know of a couple of very prominent ones who have been very much involved in the 'running' of the UK.... Pure Scottish nationalism.
Peter, Winchester, England
The last I heard, Scotland was a part of the UK. Isn't this supposed to be a merger anyway? HBOS is the bigger bank in this merger and it stands to reason they would want to see their Scottish employees protected in some way. England isn't the UK, only a part of it.
Derek, East Yorkshire uk,
Its amazing to see all this English-Scottish tirade when the real culprit was across the Atlantic. The US banking system created all this mess by lending recklessly and then selling the debt on to gullible banks all over the world. This was nothing more than a scam and we have all been duped.
Chris, Houston, USA
I think it says that Edinburgh will be the bank's Scottish HQ. The Global HQ will be London. By extrapolation, the English HQ could be Halifax for instance. In other words its all smoke and mirrors.
Peter Wright, Horsham, West Sussex
Certainly the shareholders of the Lloyds should reject the deal. They will lose the high dividend for which they invested and it will only be in shares.
Ramesh Thakrar, London , England
The whole thing is nothing other than an attempt to protect the Labour vote and Brown's image (in Scotland) !
Tom Sheridan, Woodbridge, UK
As a HBOS employee, to keep scottish jobs over the rest of the UK is at best corporate racism. Needless to say, we have had scottish leaders for the last 11 years!!!!
Mark, Chester, UK
Having worked for HBOS in the past, here's a couple of points being overlooked.
1) Scots staff are paid less than Eng. counterparts. Keeping jobs in Scotland makes economic sense for a bank looking to cut costs.
2) The HQ in Edinburgh has recently been refitted at great expense and makes a great HQ
Phil Stott, new york, via Dundee
that won't make Gordy popular in Glenrothes
peter c, Devizes, Wessex
As a Scot I have no interest in keeping my account anywhere else but with a Scottish bank. If Bank of Scotland ceases to exist I will transfer immediately to the Royal or Clydesdale bank. I know that I am not alone in this and am sure Lloyds will have taken a pragmatic view about retaining customers
Phil, Edinburgh, Scotland
Theres no need for bad feeling. Fact is that this is business and nothing to do with scotland against england or vice versa .Bank of Scotland is the oldest bank in Europe and was the 1st to print its own notes - this would protect the banks heritage. Most jobs will be in England.
Colin, Halifax, UK
I've banked with Lloyds TSB and before the the TSB all my life. My father was a manger of the old TSB.
I'm now in the process of selling all my shares and the shares inherited from my father, closing my savings and current accounts and moving the funds elsewhere.
Tom, Sheffield,
I thought Lloyds TSB were purchasing HBOS? If so, they should be dictating terms not HBOS, or sticky fingers Brown and his Scottish biased Government.
If Brown is prepared to "waiver normal competition rules" now, he will want his pound of flesh later. Eric stay well clear,
Mike, Swaffham, Norfolk
J Bentley in Portugal, this may come as a surprise to you but many people in the North of England & Wales vote Labour. A better alternative might be for the South-East of England to go it alone and let the rest of us concentrate on our better quality of life which is not based on material wealth.
J Whiteside, Lytham, Lancashire, England
I really dont see a problem. No argument, Let's have scottish independence. Us English can't wait for it. Stop criticising England and just do it. Go on. Go on.
Mike Slaw, manchester, UK
Scottish politician in Westminster do not care about England. Our time will come. It is not the first time Scotland has benefitted in this manner.
steve tea, manchester, cheshire
Give the Scots their independence please and we need not hear from them or Labour ever again as England will vote Tory forever, and there need be no Scots in English parliaments.
Sorry David Cameron you'll need go to with your name.
jbentley, loule, portugal
Why is Mr Hornby staying - he, and the rest of the board, have presided over a massive loss of shareholder value and should resign
Paul, Lisburn, UK
Brown has his grubby hands all over this deal and hopes we shall think he is the hero to the rescue and gain some praise and Scottish votes along the way. From the 10p fiasco as Chancellor I am afraid I suspect everything he says and does.
R Grant, Whitstable,
Yet more anti-English racism from this scottish/ Labour government. Roll on the election!
Peerage for Sir Victor? - surprised he didn't get one when he was chairman of Trinity Mirror/Daily Mirror.
American Eric Daniels is happy running the larger bank irrespective of which country loses jobs.
David, London,
Brown meddling again. How can you say that Scottish jobs are more valuable than English ones. That is wrong. Do the people in England work any less hard than their Scottish colleagues or vice versa? Its going to be painful to all concerned and my heart goes out to all involved. Good luck to all.
Rupert, London, UK
Having secured Scottish jobs, Brown will seek further payback from LLOY, either by imposing a windfall tax on future profits or by threatening to remove their monopoly advantage. LLOY are particularly vulnerable to political risk and would be ill-advised to rely on anything Brown has promised them.
Melchet, Edinburgh, UK
This is typical of this government and its pro Scottish views. I, for one, will be transferring all the Lloyds bank accounts i have to other banks and i suggest that ortheres do the same.
Malcolm, Solihull, West Midlands
what halifax have done is taken a scottish bank, run it to the ground, and then sold it to another british bank. thats hardly fair so i can understand teh preferntial treatment for the scottish.
tony, leeds,
Cause and effect
In the 1950s the Scots Nats were insignificant.
At the coronation Union flags were displayed enthusiastically in Scotland where many people voted Tory.
After rececession in Britain English companies reduced their Scottish branches first.
Result, the gradual rise of SNP.
Jan Stewart, Harrow, Middlesex
Over forty years ago contract conditions between Rolls Royce and the government specified that after a few years work would be transferred to Scottish factories from Derby. Jobs were lost or not grown in Derby as a result.
Fred, Horsham,
Helen Wright must know that there is no English govenment in the UK. Westminster is the seat of the British Government which is UK elected and it handles English domestic legislation! Scots, Irish,Welsh and English have a right to be PM and Chancellor. It can change if there is English devolution
John Edgar, Cupar Fife, Scotland
If ever proof were needed that Britain has a Scottish government....
It's worrying that both British institutions claimed by the credit crunch were run by head offices outside of London - had their bosses been in the city and on the ball it's possible neither might have behaved so recklessly.
edward green, Upminster,
Calm down, calm down! It's the weekend!!!!!
Sean Southall, Linlithgow, Scotland
Perhaps the scottish employees of HBOS have been misinformed. This is not a merger it's a takeover. Get real and accept the realities that invevitably result from such actions rather than blantantly pulling the sheepish "auld enemy" card....
Dan, london, uk
This is a no win situation for Brown & Labour. Alex Salmond will get the credit for saving Scottish jobs and Brown will be blamed for the loss of English & Welsh jobs. Another nail in Labour's coffin. Excellent!
Peter Hastings , Folkestone, England
Favouring the Bank of Scotland part of the company is absolutely justified - it was the English mortgage-lending part of the company that caused most of the problems. The Scottish part is well run. It is also a significant pat of the Scottish economy. If anyone is at fault, it is the London City.
John E. Dunn, Edinburgh, UK
Lloyds gains market shares, HBOS will survive, and Gordon Brown has a hope to win Scottish voters. It's a win-win deal for those 3. Or no? Short sighted in GB's case, but still in his favor for a while. And Lloyds will find a way to scrap cheap mortgages and loans, I'm sure. The capital wins, again.
Karen, WSM,
It's about time someone made this point. The town of Halifax and many families there are almost completely economically dependent on HBOS. Wide ranging job losses will kill the town. The same cannot be said of Edinburgh...
Fiona, London,
M,
I think you'll find that TSB, a Scottish bank, took over Lloyds so your assertion that the Bank of Scotland is being "saved by an English bank" is quite wide of the mark.
JAD, Edinburgh, Scotland
The statement of their intention to save jobs in Scotland versus England must come near to collective racial discrimination.
Looks like a legal job for the Bliars.
geoffthereff, Bolton, UK
Competition rules exist to protect the public - waiving them, and creating a massive organisation, is bad for the public (and it appears for the English in particular)
It's time that Scotish MPs had not part to play in governing the English.
W Smith, Manchester,
Another example of politically correct predudice.
Why are there so many scots at the top of business and politics? The scots answer would be that they are good at their job. Now if if the roles were reversed and it were english way in front (relative to pop) the scots answer would be predudice.
andy e, oxford, uk
Diversionary tactics. If you think this is unfair, should Mr. Hornby, CEO of HBOS get £2 million worth of shares in the new Lloyds-HBOS bank and keep his 250,000 share options?
Your anger should be aimed at the fact that Hornby watched HBOS self destruct then gets a handsome reward for it.
ian, Ediburgh, Scotland
Just one more reason on the already huge pile to get the break with Scotland finally over and done with and Scottish politcians back up north of the border where they can meddle with their own affairs to their hearts content.
Paula I, Warks, England
Scotland always gets preferential treatment. what's new?
John Ledbury, Kings Lynn, England
Let's get the facts straight here.
Lloyds + TSB = English + Scottish
Halifax + Bank Of Scotland = English + Scottish
So, in fact, a British bank has been saved by another British bank, to the benefit of all the British people who had mortgages and savings with that bank. Hooray for the UK.
CB, London,
It is down right missleading to say that the CEO will recive £2m of shares, his existing HBOS share will be converted to Lloys ones, saying he will be given £2m in shares is like saying if I take £1,000 out of my bank account my bank has 'given' me £1,000.
R, London,
Brown & Darling both signed the Scottish Claim of Right, in which they pledged that the interests of Scotland shall be paramount in everything they do.
Remind me then why English MPs find it acceptable for these 2 Scottish naitonalists to be in charge of England?
They make me sick.
Helen Wright, Yorkshire, England
Scotlands a charity case that needs all the help possible.
Jobs protected and higher taxbills for the English so that this British ? Government can spend more per person on the Scots than the English, so that the Scots can have everything free gratis. UK = Unequal Kingdom
Tom Long, Cirencester , England
You all miss the point. The bank of Scotland will be demerged at an appropriate moment so that Scotland, as a separate nation, will have its own national bank. Headquartered in Edinburgh. The key is the continuance of printing the national currency of Scotland. Gordon wants a Scottish peerage.
Chris Coles, Medstead, Alton, United Kingdom
Safeguarding and transferring jobs to Scotland is nothing new to Brown, hes been protecting Scottish areas for years. Tens of thousands of English civil servants have been made redundant, whilst their works been transferred from to Dundee and Glasgow. Is anybody interested NO, the unions dont want to rock boats for their leaders.
Mike, Sheffield,
Isn't this racial discrimination?
Colin, Bridgwater, UK
It doesn't matter in the longer term. When the SNP achieve a majority at Holyrood and declare independence all of the major banks will relocate to England as this is where the financial markets are.
D, London,
What have Brown and Darling got to do with the whole matter? As far as I'm aware it's a private deal between two banks thats been encouraged by the government. Not clauses added by the governtment. Brown and Darling have done nothing for Scotland about time they did. KEEP THE JOBS IN SCOTLAND
David Evans, Aberdeen, SCOTLAND
Isn't gerrymandering re-drawing electoral constituency boundaries to benefit one party? I see no evidence of this here.
Bill Peter, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
I see that they haven`t decided on a name for the bank yet.
How`s about `The English Owned Scottish National Bank 2008 Plc`. No tears from me either FlyingScotsman.
Ozzy, Oldham, UK
I certainly hope new labour is wiped out in the country they despise,England.
tally, Durham, England
Bank of Scotland was the junior partner in the merger with Halifax which formed HBOS, and HBOS is now the junior partner in the merger with Lloyds TSB. There is no jusification for having the headquarters of the new bank in Scotland rather than the financial capital of Europe, London.
Roger, London, UK
This article is strangely at odds with the article entitled "Salmond rallies bank chiefs to rescue Scottish jobs"
which suggests that the Westminster Gov is standing by while only the Scottish Gov is fighting to save jobs.
I'm no fan of Brown but he can't really win with press like this.
Gillian, Glasgow,
Scottish prime minister Scottish Chancellor and they are proctecting Scottish jobs. HHHmmmm! Will we (Welsh/English) remember this at the next election or will they try and buy us.
karl, Normanton, West yorkshire
Now that short selling has stopped the run against share price has ended. Although threats remain the primary motivation for this deal has been removed. LLOY does not have the reserves to support HBOS borrowing requirement. The merger is not required.
zogran, Reading, UK
Typical of the Scottish Mafia who are running (scared at) Westminster. Much good will it do them even in Glenrothes, where the SNP will trump their tartan card with their joker Alex Salmond.
Z Koder, Rye, UK
IF the head office goes to Scotland (WHY?) - then head office workers of a perfectly sound bank in London will loose their jobs.
Greater love hath no worker than to lay down his/her job to save Browns bacon.
Its amazing what some businessmen will do to get a Peerage.
TrevorsDen, OXON, UK
Unbelievable. If the Scottish clause goes in I don't think anyone in England and Wales will ever vote Labour again.
Will Harris, London, UK
HBOS is a British bank ... the new bank will also be a British bank.
Good to see that the sons of Scottish clans who live in England (like Mr Martin) are neutral on the crazy territorial nationalism that pervades in the UK these days.
Reiver, Borders, UK
Ther has been no mention of the branches or processing centres in Northern Ireland. Are our jobs not as important as those in the rest of the UK?
Mr smith, belfast, uk
HBOS was wrecked by the Halifax and their completely clueless CEO, who should have stayed at ASDA's checkout. BofS should never have bought them in the first place, what a shame!
And, to the English, now you know how the Scots felt under 18 years of the Tories! No tears from me!
FlyingScotsman, Edinburgh, Scotland
You haven't mentioned that the Head Office is to be domiciled in Edinburgh on Brown's insistence. Another cynical ploy ahead of a Scottish by-election.
Brown also says the regulatory regime needs strengthening - the very one he masterminded during his reign as the worst Chancellor ever.
Ponsonby-Smythe, Southampton, UK
Gordon is proud to let it be known that he brokered this deal. It includes a blatent attempt to buy votes in the Glenrothes by-election. If Labour still lose (which I expect they will) once again Gordon will have demonstrated bad judgement. He can't win a GenElection by alienating English voters.
Donna Walker, Effingham, England
Another example of this governments shameless gerrymandering.
They don't care how much English money they use to buy Scottish votes.
David Martin, Bristol, UK
If it is found that Brown or Darling are trying to save jobs in Scotland at the expense of jobs in England and Wales, then not only will Brown be finished, but Labour will be wiped off the map in England and Wales and quite rightly so.
Might this be an attempt to sway voters at the by-election?
jim, Swindon,
So Bank of Scotland is saved by an English bank and it's the English who lose their jobs?
Lloyds should pull out of this deal and let them sink.
M, London, UK