Patrick Hosking, Banking and Finance Editor
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A merger of HBOS and Lloyds TSB could lead to as many as 40,000 UK job losses and 1,000 branch closures, rival bankers estimated, because of the huge overlap between the two banks.
Unite, the trade union, rushed out a plea for no compulsory redundancies today in the face of what could be the biggest private sector cull in living memory.
HBOS employs 72,000 people while Lloyds has 70,000, in both cases almost entirely in the UK. In mergers of such similarly positioned organisations, as many as one third of the combined workforce can lose their jobs.
The potential job cuts emerged as new figures showed that UK unemployment has risen to a nine-year high of 1.72 million after increasing by 81,000 in August. At the same time, the number of people claiming jobless benefits rose by 32,500 - the highest rate since 1992.
When Royal Bank of Scotland took over National Westminster Bank in 2001, 6,800 jobs were eventually lost. But there was much less overlap in that case because RBS was predominantly in Scotland and NatWest in England and Wales.
One banker said: "There's massive overlap between Lloyds and HBOS. It's going to be unbelievably messy."
However, there is no certainty a deal would be done and it is not clear the extent of intervention by Government, which might insist on a soft approach to cost-cutting as the price of helping get the deal done.
Job losses could be severe in branches, call centres, processing centres and the head offices of the two banks. Lloyds operates one of the biggest networks in the country with 1,900 branches under the Lloyds and Cheltenham and Gloucester brands. HBOS has 1,100 branches, in many cases on the same high street.
"Staff working in financial services must not pay the price for corporate greed," said Graham Goddard, Unite deputy general secretary.
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As a member of staff for HBOS I am now severly woried about the future I would like to think that 40k jobs will not be lost but I can see how it will worry both staff and customers.
Erika , Yorkshire,
HBOS would never close down, the govt just wanted it to happn as it would save thm money and they would take the brunt of 40k job losses.
Makes me surprised how naive some of society is and how they can have the wool pulled over their eyes.
I feel for the employees now, imagining losing your j
chris, Windsor, UK
I'v always said...the economy was too dangerously got itself dependent on the housing market by stupid amounts of lending and taking risks on mortgages. Now is the time to pay. Worst is yet to come since the UK market has another 20% to fall. Only then we can assess who the survivors are..
Des, London, UK
Shouldn't the headline read: HBOS merger with Lloyds TSB may save 32,000 UK jobs.
Without a merger the headline could have read: HBOS collapse costs 72,000 UK jobs.
So there is a choice; loose 72,000 or save 32,000, sure loosing 40,000 jobs is bad but that is the best option in a bad situation.
Chris, Wellington, New Zealand
So, we should have two branches of the same bank on the same street? And of course a typical knee-jerk reaction from the self-interested unions, lest those paying their salaries is reduced.
A cull is the right word - overpopulation by desk based staff, serving too few people.
Richard, london, E
Matt, swindon,
It goes to show HBOS and Lloyds would be 0.00p in value like Northern Rock.
If it was not for this intervention
I guess I have to say Thank You to who ever is organising it as I use Halifax
Nicholas Iles, Oswestry, Shropshire, United Kingdom
As a member of HBOS staff I am quite appalled at the lack of communication - I was NOT told today that we would be looking at 40000 job losses. This is massive and no one seems that concerned.................except us obviously !
Emma, Manchester, UK
Well thought out Nat, Very considerate re the internet replacing the need for branches. I am sure old people who are not on-line will appreciate your comment! The reality is with post office closures old people need local branches even more and we are all getting older as a population.
Shirley, Southampton, UK
The economics of closing nearby branches is not as obvious as seems. Branch profitability is largely based on the years of building good banking customers. Closing a branch and losing only 5% of the customers removes any economic advantage. Job losses will occur, but slowly. Mike Crux, Herts
Mike Crux, Welwyn Garden City, England
The choice is clear. Either the government does a northern rock costing billions of pounds of tax payers money to keep Halifax afloat and let the merger go through even if it means loss of jobs. In the internet age the reality is fewer branches are needed.
Nat, New Malden, UK
It is still aprefered option to lose 40 000 jobs than have HBOS go down
Lec Neli, London, UK
So, we should have two branches of the same bank on the same street? And of course a typical knee-jerk reaction from the self-interested unions, lest those paying their salaries is reduced.
A cull is the right word - overpopulation by desk based staff, serving too few people.
Richard, london, England
Private sector cull sanctioned by Gordon Brown - NuLabour !
Nick, Bedford, UK
Do the Monopolies Commission or the Lloyds shareholders have any say in this or is it already a "done deal"
Dr Ray, Hereford,
Looking back over the past 10 years of Gordon's (mis-) management of the British economy I wonder if he is thinking to himself "what did I do wrong?" Not a chance.
albert hall, hove, england