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TWENTY-TWO floors up and the wind is howling outside the thick plate-glass windows of Andrew Moss’s creaking office. It is all a bit unnerving. But apparently the moans and groans of the building are due to the design of a tower that withstood the blast wave of an IRA bomb 15 years ago.
“If it’s not moving, that’s when you have to worry,” laughs Moss, the new chief executive of Britain’s largest insurance group, Aviva.
Moss may be blasé about Aviva’s swaying head office, which looms over the City of London’s insurance district, but he has plenty more to worry about.
Even before he moved up from finance director on July 12, the sharks were lying in wait. Aviva’s share price has been sluggish ever since the company embarrassingly bungled an unsolicited £17 billion bid for the rival Prudential in March 2006. In recent months, City whispers that the £17.9 billion Aviva could be a break-up target for rapacious hedge funds have hardened into a series of speculative analyst notes claiming that up to £9 billion in value could be unlocked by selling or demerging the general insurance business.
Moss’s first big task is to ensure that such suggestions remain just chatter. To succeed he needs to convince the doubters that Aviva’s composite model, which combines big businesses in both life insurance and general insurance, still works. It’s quite a challenge for a chief executive who, as the sceptics point out, is a respected number-cruncher, but is unproven with little direct operational experience.
Moss is stocky and measured, his delivery composed but determined. Yet behind a slick exterior, you sense he is intensely competitive, ready to roll up his sleeves and do battle.
His sporting past is the giveaway. At Oxford, where he studied law at Christ Church college, he played rugby, mixing it in the scrum as hooker.
Disappointingly, he missed out on a blue. “I was too small,” he laments. “It was partly that and the advent of a South African guy who came up in my last year. The usual story, but he remains a good friend,” he laughs good-naturedly. “Actually the week I got dropped from the team, I met my wife. I have always regarded it as a good trade-off.”
Moss’s fanatical interest in rugby has rubbed off on his two sons. The elder has played for the England under19 team and is contracted to play for Bath. The younger son is “pretty good” and would like to reach the same heights. “It’s fantastic. One of my great pleasures is watching them play.”
Insiders say Moss has injected a new energy at Aviva. By most accounts, he has made a confident start. Within three months of being announced as chief executive, a choice that surprised many, he shook up the management team, leading to the departure of Patrick Snowball, the combative former tank commander who was head of UK operations and seen as his main rival.
“He [Moss] is very measured, very clear and very safe. The big question is over his leadership since he has never run a business,” said one senior industry executive.
Moss is far too diplomatic to comment on the rivalry with Snowball. “I think there has been a generational change at Aviva. Richard [Harvey, his predecessor as chief executive] has moved on. Patrick has moved on. It leaves the way for a new chief executive to lead a new team in a new direction.”
As for the botched bid for Prudential – for which Harvey took the blame although Moss was also heavily involved – it is all history. “We wanted it; they didn’t. Unfortunately, there was a period when it became a public matter.”
So could it be revived? After all, it had some logic. “You can’t expect me to comment on that,” he says. Anyway, he has been adamant that big deals are not a high priority.
Ask him the break-up question and he pounces. “Look, the first thing I would say is that we are in the year 2007. It has taken well over 200 years to get this company to where it is. So, you have to think pretty carefully about breaking it up. We have been really very clear that we believe the composite model is exactly the way forward for a large insurance concern like us.” Put more simply, Moss says the cash thrown off from the general insurance business is the “natural fuel” for growth in the life operations.
So is he frustrated by the break-up specula-tion? He sighs. “No, it doesn’t frustrate me. But we need to make sure we articulate the message so people do understand it.”
Which brings us neatly to Moss’s big bugbear: clarity. “I’m obsessive about clarity, I really am,” he says, leaning forward. “As for the people who work in this company, it is really very, very important to me that they know what they are doing, why they are doing it and how it fits into the rest of the company and its objectives,” Moss says, repeatedly slicing the air with his hand to make his point. “If someone is doing one job and you walk across the floor and there is another person doing the same thing, well that to me is criminal.”
Moss is a latecomer to the insurance game. Although he studied law, his father, a solicitor in Hampshire, convinced him there was more money in accountancy and Moss joined Coopers & Lybrand. Accountancy was always going to be a stepping stone and Moss left “pretty much as soon as I qualified”, taking the plunge into banking first with Midland, then Citibank and finally 12 years at HSBC where he held a series of finance positions, rising to chief financial officer of the investment-banking division.
In 2000, with Moss in his early forties and his good friend Douglas Flint showing no signs of moving on as HSBC’s finance director, it was time for a change. Lloyd’s of London, the insurance market, came calling, offering him the finance director’s job.
“It was a big decision for me, but in career terms it was the best thing I’ve ever done. It was pastures new, a fascinating new job in a market that had sustained a lot of losses through the late 1990s.”
Within a year, Lloyd’s was plunged into crisis by the September 11 attacks. Moss was handed the “fascinating task” of managing the aftermath and evidently takes pride in the market emerging “stronger than arguably it ever has been” two years later.
However, as soon as Richard Harvey approached him about joining Aviva as finance director, there was no doubt Moss would join the insurer, which he did in May 2004. “Lloyd’s is a market. It’s not quite the same as having your hands on the management of a unitary company. And that really appealed. Frankly, if the UK’s biggest insurer knocks on your door, it’s a no-brainer, given the prospects this company has.”
So did he always have his sights on the top Aviva job? Apparently not. The first six to nine months were all about tackling the steep learning curve of insurance. “This sounds like a truism, but I always wanted to do a good job in what I was doing. I always believed if you did that, other opportunities would open up. My career is a classic example of that.”
According to one investment banker who knows the sector well: “Moss is the boy who done good. Many people did not expect him to get this far. For me, the Lloyd’s finance post was a bit of a nonjob.”
Ten days ago, Moss unveiled a strategy, dubbed One Aviva, to deliver profits and growth by driving the group’s existing businesses harder. Aviva, with operations in 27 countries, has strong positions in key markets such as UK life insurance, but this has not always led to superior returns. Then there are concerns about the pace of growth in life insurance given that Aviva’s main strength is in arguably more mature European markets and its Asian business is still small. And the jury is out on Amerus, the American business bought last year, despite an impressive hike in first-half sales.
For years Aviva has been run as a set of relatively independent units. Under the Moss regime, it is all about joined-up thinking – from transferring product ideas between markets, allocating capital better,
squeezing out more costs, to creating a single global asset-management business. “It is a global marketplace. And if you do not work in a more joined-up way you are going to miss opportunities. There are huge opportunities over the next 10 years. People are fighting tooth and nail. We are playing a game and we have to play it to win.”
Aviva is the fifth-biggest insurer in the world and Moss says its “global footprint” is going to get even bigger. Half-year operating profits may have dipped by 8%, but that was largely down to £235m losses from the recent floods. Life-insurance profits were strong, growth was solid in Europe, a series of big distribution deals with banks were sealed while Moss reckons the scepticism over Amerus is “dissipating”.
So what drives him? “I have a high degree of curiosity. I love the fact that you learn something new every day when you come into the office. That’s what I enjoy as well as working with very good teams of people.”
As for relaxation, it is the rugby, golf, the family and gardening – although the gardening doubles up as an aid to strategic planning that you won’t read about in any management textbook. “I know it’s pretty sad. I have a nice John Deere tractor, which is quite a heavy-duty thing. But there’s quite a lot of mowing to do in my garden in Kent.” So it’sa glorified mower then? “Oh no, it’s a bit bigger than that. I have always done quite a lot of my thinking mowing. There’s so much noise that it actually blocks out everything else,” he laughs. “Some people do strategic thinking while shaving, I do it mowing.”
ANDREW MOSS’S WORKING DAY
THE Aviva chief executive always wakes up at 5.30am. “It’s just the body clock,” says Andrew Moss. If he is in Kent, he commutes by train. If in London, he walks to work from his flat in Wapping. “I arrive at the office at anything from 7.15am to 8.30am.”
He tries to go the gym three or four times a week, usually before work. About 60% of his time is taken up with internal meetings, 20% with external appointments while 20% is reserved for thinking and planning. Moss sometimes leaves the office by 6pm. But in busy periods he leaves much later. His evenings are often spent entertaining or at industry dinners.
VITAL STATISTICS
Born:March 10, 1958
Marital status:married with four children
School:Marlborough College
University:Christ Church, Oxford
First job:trainee accountant at Coopers & Lybrand
Salary package:£533,000 plus £744,000 bonus last year
Homes:Kent and east London Cars:midnight blue Bentley Continental GT and midnight blue Mitsubishi Shogun
Favourite author:John Irving
Favourite music:‘everything from The Doors to Mozart’
Favourite film:Gladiator
Best gadget:John Deere tractor
Last holiday:skiing in the Canadian Rockies
DOWNTIME
ANDREW MOSS relaxes by playing golf and watching rugby. “I think I’m like most people. I work and spend time with my family and friends. What I enjoy most is being at home on a Sunday and having lunch with my four kids and a bunch of their friends. To me that’s a lot of fun.”
Gardening – from growing vegetables to landscaping the grounds at his Kent home – is also a hobby. “It would be bigger, but I’m afraid I don’t get very much time.”
Weekends are often spent watching his children play sport – his youngest daughter captained the football team at Christ Church, Oxford.
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